Dan,
Please see my comment on the previous article about why the thread was shut down. You a free to comment here—if you stick to the issue at hand. Name-calling and questioning mine or the other editors' journalistic integrity is uncalled for. Plenty of our other commenters had no problem debating the issue and focusing on the incident. I personally don't care about your opinions concerning Sharia law and Osama Bin Laden because they have no relevance to the Playland incident. That is the point we were trying to make. I did not delete your previous comments, but I did shut down the thread because we could see that the conversation was taking a turn. We just ask that everyone be civil.

PS: so who did do the deleting? and for what purpose - what was objectionable? can ANYONE point out those "violations of terms of service"? The entire point of comments is to show the gamut of thought - to engender debate and more comment. This story is viral on Twitter already. Stand up for Free Speech! Support the Constitution!! Let the debate rage!! no one typed "the 7 dirty words" - Like I said before SCOTUS Scalia would say "shame!!!" . SCOTUS Breyer would applaud your the censorship. In America, insults are the free speech flavor of the day!! Get used to that. THAT is free speech. Our cases says so. Lucky (so far) that we live in America and can say what we please (absent the yelling of fire in a crowded theatre - and the internet is NOT the theatre). I teach kids in college - the cop may not be right, but he tells you to move, you move!! - sue him/her later for the Constitutional violation - DO NOT ENGAGE THE POLICE IN A FIGHT unless you have to defend a life from an illegal action by a cop. Everything else can be handled in a Court. THAT is the issue and point. This Playland incident is a lawsuit setup/prelude for jihad lawfare - this is only the beginning.

Just read the "terms" - save for the horse puckeys (in a dif format), everything else was fine. The "deleter" has a problem with current events and what is happening in the world. What Marc and I said were relevent. The links were relevent. The violence perpetrated by the group of provocateurs is relevent. Watch this story unfold. Expect the CAIR lawsuits.

Anytime you get physical with the police or security or any person then that person or group are in the wrong. It seems the patrons did just that. They got physical with security and the police and thats why 15 people where arrested. This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with safety procedures at playland park and the violence perpetrated by the accused after the fact.

SRT: so teach me - what do I have wrong with the Constitutional Law analysis? What am I missing? I thought I nailed it. I still think I nail it - kids think I do as well. Even the Courts have thought so - I have "made law" several times through my briefs, appeals and critical writing skills. You? Instantly these people acted out in premediated fashion - bet on it. You'd be interested in People v. Carl Washington - free speech case fom NYC - read up: http://www.nylj.com/decisions/00/12/122200b5.htm

What MAS did was NOT protected by our laws. The Rye arrests are NOT a free speech cases nor religious freedom cases - this is all about the police power of the state and the right to use it to enforce safety and code. Why not get rid of OSHA rules then, if they interfere with "religion"? C'mon, man - THINK!!

This is just the beginning. A look at Europe will forecast what will happen here in America in the very near future. Already the claims for drivers licences with the drivers face covered with a burka be allowed, have been made. It looks like a safety issue with the head ware. If one of these woman had been killed because some how the hear wear had got tangled with the apparatus, then what would have happened? You know that answer. The key to this is that is was the GROUP that had a problem. Other Muslims, not of this group, didn't seem to have a problem. It seems that some want the rules only to apply to others.

In terms of a policy, if someone were arrested for walking around Playland WITHOUT any clothes then there would be debate here even if they were doing so for religious reasons. Why? Because our society has accepted that some level of clothing is necessary to protect our idea of decency.

In the same way, our society has accepted that we must protect those of us with less than common sense from hurting ourselves and/or others. Thus laws such as wearing your seat belt, not driving at excessive speeds, jay walking, drugs, underage drinking, etc. Thus, not allowing someone on a ride for having excessivley loose clothing is no different from any of the above.

However, the issue here is really in the specifics, i.e. who said what, how it was said, who became violent, etc. I assume there are videos of this that will surface which will bring out the truth..

Dan it was probably Renea who deleted the posts that she didn't like. She does not take criticism very well.

When she was recently falsely reporting that a Rye resident was charged with a crime and was going to criminal court rather than correct her misrepresentation she got mad and shut down the comment feed.

Look at her headline to this story. Police response excessive.

Hi everyone, thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts on this serious story. All of us editors to the very best job we can. I got an email from Renea at 2:30 a.m. so I know she, as always, is working hard. I will make our local editors aware of the missing comments, however we have to delete comments that do not comply with our terms of service which you agreed to when you signed up for Patch. I think they are pretty reasonable (and you probably did to if you agreed to them) and allow for intelligent free speech, to read them you can click on the link below. Again, thank you for making this a place where everyone can share their ideas and thoughts on issues that affect our world.

Unreal, eh? Dina, the White Plains editor knows press freedom and free speech - Maybe this "editor" does not - like the Obummah/Holder politicization of the DOJ - wow. No one is saying who censored the posts - all I see is a "we". We used to call this "yellow journalism".

Anyway, more on the group which came from NYC to use Westchester for their agenda and abuse our police and secular liberties: a post from one of the Dallas, TX newpapers:

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/05/smoking-gun-holy-land-foundati.html

Muslim American Society = Muslim Brotherhood - jihad at your door : hit the links for the court documents and evidence. These are very very very bad people. Eyes wide open folks - these are not innocents - they have a plan - read up!!

dear renea, maybe it would be more objective if you also interviewed the two young park rangers who were injured by these people. this is so one sided it is not even believable.

A few posters are upset that they can't say whatever they want as many times as they want - regardless of relevance, rationality, civility, and reptition. The issue being raised the same posters is not freedom of speech, but rather whether or not a business has the right to implement its policies as it sees fit. If you don't like the way the site and blog posts are curated, you can always go elsewhere.

If you chose to come to or live in our country, you must obey they laws. You are not exempt from obeying laws due to religious beliefs. This law was created for the safety of Playland's visitors. Just another example of Muslims wanting American to conform and accommodate them. I'm personally sick of Muslims. Let a Christian American go anywhere in the middle east and demand that they respect and honor American religion, laws, or culture! You'll have your head chopped off. We should be so kind to afford the same to the Muslims invading our country!

You can't pray in a public school anymore or cannot mention God in public spaces anymore...yet these people are praying on county owned land. I guess that means we can put 'under God' back in the pledge of allegiance. Playland has been operating since 1928 and since a recent string a fatalities have instituted a rule that certain rides you cannot wear accessories. Why do these people feel the rules should have been bent for them? They would never have been bent for me. Rules are rules for a reason. If one of them was allowed on the Dragon Coaster with their scarf, choked and died then what would have happened? LAWSUIT. Although it looks like this is going to end up in court anyway also, from what I have read. I am a frequent patron and advocate of Playland and some of the rides are really intense. I could not imagine it being safe to ride with something on your head. I am glad the park stood its ground.

Doug, lets see how long your post stays posted.

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I think it is an important issue where people should be expressing and trading ideas, in theory it helps people become more understanding, tolerable and able to reach the best solutions. But please let's keep our conversations civic and intelligent. Thank you for your understanding.

No Kidding Zach. The headline could have been "Muslims at Playland don't want to follow the rules" or "Police said arrests were justified" or "Police said no unreasonable force was used".

No one should be violating terms of service. This whole issue should NOT even be up for debate. I was there at Playland when someone lost their life on a ride. Although it was not the park's fault, they do the best they can to make sure everyone is safe. The park has implemented these safety rules back in 2004 after the first incident. I had on my favorite yellow baseball cap when I visited the park once back in 2005 and I forgot it was on my head. On the Dragon Coaster they made me take it off before they released the brake the start the ride. That was 6 years ago...and the rule is the same today. The park officials do not want to have anything happen to any of their guests. Plain and simple, the patrons who became unruly in this case are WRONG. It was not a religious issue. Playland is one of the most diverse places in the county, not to mention a fun place that has been enjoyed by tens of millions of people since it opened in 1928. I don't think anyone has a problem with their religion. No matter who goes to Playland, regardless of where your from or what you believe in the park has a set of rules that need to followed.

Hot button issues!!! This is the only local e-newpaper place where comments are widely "read". Great forum to have and use. Since I did fight the WP schools' Code of Conduct (made it to the O'Reilly Show!! - I got copy!!) , I naturally have problems with some of the "terms" and how they can be interpreted (by whom, with what bias, etc.) , but I think we have been pretty good here - tensions rise, but do not explode - healthy debate, like the Doha Debates - maybe we should do a local TV thing on this. Dina? I'd be happy to participate!

This was an " IN YOUR FACE" moment. It is as simple as that.

I am sure the Rye residents just Loved having this incident in their back yard with all those waterfront taxes they pay!! You reap what you sow folks... Be careful as being PC is corroding our society, values and beliefs. They are making us conform to them. I lived in London for four years and am very intimate with how they operate... Not all muslims are like that as I have many muslim friends from London. But the unfortunate thing is that those who abide by the laws do not speak up against their own whom are making them look very bad and suspicious. I try to think clearly but when I am lucky to be alive due to a split decision I made 10 years ago on September 11th it is very hard for me to NOT be emotional and judgemental about the very people that want to take us down....I try everyday of my life and try to explain to my children why large groups of people pray in the middle of a county park instead of a place of worship??

I can't speak for the mission of others, but mine is "to arm citizens with important facts that help them make informed decisions." I believe Patch's terms of service allow for factual information to be discussed, which I hope people will make informed decisions from.

I find it hard to believe that the Masters of playing the victim were yet again victimized solely for their religion - too convenient. Looking for headlines possibly? Of all places, in NY... where they are way too tolerant of this slow and steady takeover of American culture and society. There could be fault on both sizes, but I guarantee you that the main stream media will take the side of "oppressed" - just as intended.

There's no constituuional right to wear hats on a carnival ride on a private property. There is a black-and-white safety rule which doesn't have a clause saying "except if you really want to wear your headgear because thats how your group rolls know what I'm sayin"
Tired and worn playing of the ethnicity/race/religion card which only appeals to those who are so neurotic that they think the word "muslim" or "asian" or "black" etc etc in a sentence immediately makes the whole thing racist.

I would agree with several of the posters here that the article was not fully balanced. i would ask that as a news source and not a blog the writers and editors for Patch take care to create objective and balanced reporting. I would have liked to have seen more information come from the officials on the scene. Is there a way Renea can follow up with more reporting from them?

It is my belief that America is not in danger of being influenced by Sharia law. Considering there were thousands of members of the Muslim community there yesterday and this incident involved a few dozen, it says to me that there was a small cadre of individuals looking to make a statement. As always a few bad apples have ruined the whole basket.

We as responsible citizens should not make this into a blanket accusation of an entire community. 1 group of illegal aliens does not make all Mexican illegal. One group of Crips does not make all black people gangsters, and one group of conniving Wall Street bankers does not make all white people evil overloads.

Hello David,
This story is a follow-up to our original story from yesterday. In that story, we interviewed Deputy County Parks Commissioner Peter Tartaglia, who gave the county's perspective on the incident. A nearly 3-minute video of Tartaglia is attached to that story.We also included a statement that the county released Tuesday evening. This story is the first one we've done with video interviews featuring members of the group giving their take on what happened.

Here's the link ( which is also included at the end of the story above): http://rye.patch.com/articles/disturbance-at-playland-park-entrance-closed

Wow. Take a little nap and see what happens...For those of you complaining this story is unbalanced, I would say 1) the park position and account of events is included 2) I also contributed to reporting a story that cited law enforcement and the park's account of events. Together, I think the two stories are exactly what is meant by fair reporting. Each side is entitled to their perspective and all I did was report it.
As for quoting the park rangers involved in the incident, law enforcement usually makes official comment through designated public information officers, had the specific park rangers and officers who responded to the incident been available for comment I would have interviewed them, and recorded it for presentation as I did all other sides.

Thanks Satta! I missed that one.

Dan,

In your post that I responded to you seemed to be making the argument that there was some right being infringed on by the patch deleting posts. If that was not your point, I apologize. It is clear from Dina's interpretation of the terms of service that the patch can delete anything they want and ban anybody they want from posting entirely.

Read the terms of service, they are so vague and subjective that they allow the Patch to censor whatever they please for whatever reason they want. One of their terms is to ban posts that are " inaccurate, false or misleading in any way; ". Please

Thanks. Not a right being infringed upon, but free speech being trammled/trampled. If the purpose of newspapers are to inform and then allow comment, personal biases of editorial staff should stand aside, even to the point of the "7 dirty words". The censorship issue in America has me bugged (Sedition Laws included). Patch is a private site, different rules apply than to our gov't., but if you open yourself up to comments, allow fair play - let the soapbox be occupied. The terms of service are like courthouse "subjective objectivity" -"whose ox is getting gored?"- depends who is sitting on the bench.

I'll still play here.

Rye Dad is correct--the title is clearly designed to be inflammatory. Henry's anti-cop, pro-Islam bias is evident. Only 1 1/2 sentences from the Park statement, and no links to their full statement. But thank you for posting the video--also obviously one-sided. It shows how confrontational the Muslims were. Clearly some are recent American converts to Islam--the accent always gives it away. Rather "in-your-face" attitudes. Time to check YouTube for any videos of the actual fighting.

Okay some people were questioning the rules of the park. That's one thing, but to push people and harass the female patrons is uncalled for.

And I understand it would be a pain to transport 50+ people to the Mosque just to pray and come back, but you really should not pray in such a dirty place as the concrete.

Fisrt time commenter - I agree this article was written ina biased way. Why is the writer attacking the park officials and police for enforcing the rules? I am not a big fan of this sort of reporting. And why oh why is freedom of speech being denied on the comments? Shutting down the thread is not the answer - it speaks of censorship. Who cares what time the night your censors are working? Who cares if the conversation veers off? Other posters will chastise.

The Qur’an teaches that it is based on progressive revelation (17.106 (middle Mecca); 16.101 (late Mecca); 2.106 (Medina); 76.23 (Medina)). This means that whenever a later revelation contradicts an earlier revelation, the later revelation replaces it.

That is why it is imperative to read the Qur’an in chronological (NOT numerical) order of the chapters. The final revelations—those from Medina—are not at all peaceful.

You can find the complete listing of the chronological order of the surahs on any Islamic website, but the last 5 are: 62, 48, 5, 110, 9 (the last).

Violence is part and parcel of the Qur'an, therefore part and parcel of Islam.

I just watched this video - Renea Henry what a one sided report - where's the balance? Where is the interview with park officals or the police? Clearly you are biased. Bad bad reporting. Patch you are on the losing end of this one

http://gothamist.com/2011/08/31/police_baton_crowd_at_playland_afte.php

CAIR National is tweeting this news article - it has a brief statement by the police. Satta and Renea alrady referred to the videos on the first piece - Parks spokesperson Tartaglia speaks for about 2.5 minues. go to the firt article. The video on the sinatnt cite is from FoxNews, quoted on the Gotham site.

From Renea Henry's bio " I really am an interested, neutral bystander. I believe in fairness, not a theoretical concept of objectivity. In time, I'm sure I will form my own opinions. But you'll never see any bias in my coverage" Really Renea? Your video coverage and article on Playland issue was completely biased - shame on you.
Patch you should really take a hard look at your reporters

It seems a little suspicious that the Muslim group is so well informed about other parks' rules about headscarves, but that they didn't know what to expect at Playland.

I'm a little curious to know whether this was planned in advance as a protest of sorts.

my keyboard is causing me spelling problems. sorry! I am not that dumb.

From yesterday's article:
"Fighting began when they were told they would be denied access to certain rides if they wore religious garb"

That kind of careless and sloppy phrasing probably caused people to get all up in arms in the first place.
If someone had said " they were told they would be denied access to certain rides if they wore headgear because headgear is banned on certain rides for safety reasons" things would probably have been calmer.

Seems like the woman in question decided to make this more of an issue than what it was to begin with. It makes sense that excessively loose or flowing clothing would be prohibited on certain rides (especially a 1,000 year old roller coaster such as the Dragon Coaster). Jeez, Playland is such a death trap anyway- HOW is that place still open?
Regardless- it's park policy and it SHOULD be upheld, OR persons who choose to wear certain garments for religious reasons should be made to sign a waiver understanding that they are STRONGLY advised not to ride this ride because of the danger associated. Problem solved.
Although I do agree that the police may have acted inappropriately and/or excessively it may come to light that, as some are suggesting, they were provoked and that this was an intentional act on the part of the woman/group. Time will tell.
As for the article being biased? It is, absolutely, slanted to the left, but rarely are the articles here on Patch balanced so I don't expect them to be.

Just one more (have to get back to trying to earn$$) - on an OSHA level - there are rules and regs about pinch points and open unguarded moving parts/machines/tools/mechanize devices that can create choke points, catch areas and pinch points, regs about clothing, types, etc., what is allowed near certain types of devices/machines, what is not, etc. These industrial codes are over 100 years old, and are international standards. We also have the NYCRR telling us what clothing is not allowed near certain types of devices. Do you void them for religious garb? no. do you allow workers to sign waivers? no.

So the protestations of a religious group, ANY religious group, over "not fair to us" because of clothing restrictions are baseless and in essence, insane, when it comes to industrial safety, which covers carnival rides and Playland. And then there is the cost of insurance and paying out on lawsuits. Someone gets hurt? We WILL sue! Secular enough? Welcome to America, have a nice day!

Dan,

I think we are in agreement, I might just counter that if there is no guarantee of speech it can't be abridged of even trampled on.

I agree with your notion of what newspapers should be but if you really believe that, I think you are being naive. Newspapers have never just "allowed" comment, all letters to the editor are not published. The internet based media is still feeling it's way through the law as it evolves but I can assure you they will never "stand aside" and not exercise some control over commenters.
What goes on here and what I think you mean by "censorship" should never be conflated

Censorship :[ the actions or practices of censors; especially : censorial control exercised repressively.] It is or it isn't.

I just can not understand how this hijaab can be a hazard in any situation. Does anyone have any opinion on this?

Wow I m shocked how ignorant and/or racist some people can be.
Dan, don't you have a job ? The more you speak you more hateful and ignorant you portray that dark soul of yours. May God (any God u wish ) bless your soul

My comment is clear. Rules and laws apply to all of us. If Muslims choose first to wear what many would consider restrictive clothing for religious reasons, they have made their choice to limit their participation in certain activities. By reason of their clothing choice, rules and laws will not be altered for one groups specific desires. If someone was injured or died on a ride allowing a particular group to break rules, who would be at fault....

Whether it is the DMV, or safety at Playland, or searches at the airports or any other number of United States laws. We all follow the law, but it does seem if certain specific groups can't get it their way, they throw a tantrum. This is all very, very unfortunate.

and Playland falls under the auspices of multiple law enforcement groups; county, park police, rye police. if this was an event of 3000 people, 40 vehicles
from 3 convergent responsible entities is not a surprise.

Too bad this happened, but when they get a chance, the women who refused to take off their scarves should Google Isadora Duncan, a dancer who was strangled to death when her scarf caught in her car door. Amusement park rides can be very dangerous and scarves coming loose in a breeze, say, and getting trapped in a gear, and being pulled in one direction while she's going the other way can klll a woman, and other people on that same ride, friends, family, could also end up hurt.. Not everything is about racism.

Brilliantly said Arlene~

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1037389/woman-strangled-to-death-go-karting

Here is a good read...a woman strangled by a burqa on an amusement ride, in this case go-karts (which Playland has)

@Arlene- the people who want to make everything about racism are either A. racists themsleves, or B. so full of their own anger and hatred that they WANT everyone to be racist so it justifies their anger.

I have have not seen anything reported, that says that anybody, including the woman who was turned away from the ride, considered that act racist. The woman said she did not understand the policy because she had been to other amusement parks and had experienced the same restrictions. I don't think that is unreasonable.
What people are alleging was racist, was the reaction to this minor incident. Again, the act of somebody being turned away from a ride escalated to "a row of Westchester County police stood in helmets and protective vests. More than 40 law enforcement vehicles, cruisers and SUVs, even canine units, from municipalities across the county, lined the entry road to the amusement park. "
Until I hear some more about this, I think they have a very good argument.

Well someone else commented that Playland falls under multiple jurisdictions and that the officers were responding to the call that two park rangers were being attacked/down. If that's true then I don't think the response was unjustified but I can't say who or what prompted such a large turnout.
Police have a tough job though. I won't excuse any brutality that may or may not have occured- I'll let the courts decide that, but I'd like to point out that the police constantly find themselves in a catch 22 situation. If that crowd had turned ugly and started rioting we'd be thankful that so many officers responded. If they hadn't have been there and the crowd started rioting we'd have wondered where all the police were....

If hijab, that is tightly secured around the face, is deemed so dangerous for the ride, what about the loose long hair? Do they have any policy to stop folks with loose long hair ride?

@Art...then the argument could extend to other pieces of cloth one wears. The question I have is, why not apply this rule more smartly than just blindly make some thing up that could pose difficulty for some of their customers? I can see how a hat or a cap can be a problem but I don't think hijab is in the same category.

To David Smith - the violence in the Bible was directed at a particular group of people or particular individuals about 3000 years ago. Bible was codified by the time of Maccabees. The violence was ended at the rabbinic period after the Bar Kochba revolt. The Qur'an is ongoing - forever - jihad until the Age of the Mahdi. Got one? read it? read up on duality and abrogation? Sunna, Hadith and Qur'an are immutable. here's your doctrine to eread tonite: al-wala' wa'l-bara'. scary stuff, more so when the 5x daily prayer curses the unbelievers. forever. slight distinction, so no moral equivalency here. black and white. night and day. apples and oranges. (I'll stop with the cliches). can't make the comparison.

Here is some reporting on the head wear policy;

According to reports, Playland’s policies, posted on its website, include the statement: “All items and clothing must be appropriately secured while on a ride; some smaller items can be stored/secured in cargo pockets or waist pouches. Hats must be secured, and jackets/sweaters must be worn properly and not around the waist while on a ride. Some rides do not allow backpacks, purses or head gear of any kind.”

I will be willing to bet that none of the posters that have negative comments on the police action, would ever put their lives on the line like those police officers. Walk a mile in their shoes and then report back to me.

SRT [If the focus of first responders is a Breivik style attack, I hope you are as concerned about radical Christian fundamentalists as you are about those scary Muslims at playland]. When was the last time that a "Christian fundamentalists" blew up the WTC? Blew up an airplane? You have to go back to Timothy McVey and he wasn't even a "Christian fundamentalists". You miss the whole point, it was a group making a statement. They don't want to follow the rules because they don't respect them. They are NOT their rules so we don't have to obey them. We see this in Europe everyday. We saw this in Texas where a man kills his own children because they were becoming to westernized. If you don't like the laws than change them, through legislative action,or live some place else.

Dan, your knowledge of the subject at hand is sound....not paranoid. History (the facts) support your perspective.

SRT your words have fire in them. It seems to me, that you are lashing out at the messenger, rather than the source of the problem- and that is a specific group demanding the rules don't apply to them. No one on this link is happy with what happened, but not facing it straight on in a post 9/11 world is putting ones head in the sand. Sad, but true.

Thanks Joann. The stuff is pretty well documented - very available. What I speak about is not farfetched - just well researched - just because one denies or can not conceive of the existence of things, does not make them disappear and become non existant.

One more - a link to a bio on the Muslim American Society, who the players are, who is connected to whom, what the organizational purposes are... please read and learn - we should educate ourselves on who and what we are dealing with. Only then can informed and reasoned decisions be made, conclusions drawn.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/85.pdf

Does that then mean what is more important is enforcing rules even if it means cracking having to occasionally crack someone’s head open? Which is to suggest what we should instead applaud is a culture that enforces its own preferred version of aesthetics and rules even with degrees of violence? Or is it simply a situation that if you refuse to abide by the rules then you should be bear the consequences?

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/09/woman-refuses-to-take-off-hijab-50-cops-waiting-to-arrest-her/

Christopher, why don't you take a trip to Greece and join in their demonstrations and then report back here with the results. If you are going to resist arrest, then you will suffer the consequences. Did you read the article you posted. You don't think it was slanted in any way? Maybe if some of them could read or understand the rules, this incident may not have occurred. Or maybe that is what this group wanted.

Just don't do business with them! Pretty simple. They will go away by themselves!

There are about 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Do you Islam-haters seriously think that over 20% of the world's population hates America? Do you consider Indonesia an enemy state?

don't forget Detroit.

Oh forgot Paris.... Don't you worry about them Muslims, their history ain't too attractive on this front, that whole my way is the highway kinda thing. And yes I realize they come with directions to kill the infidel. But I wanna tell you they are cuddly. As the liberal will tell, look how many of them there are, they can't be all bad. Muslims giving anybody trouble, c'mon, when has that ever happened. Peace on earth good will to men. Someone's power's back up again, time to get to work doing nothing. Let's chicken pick facts off the internet and get on with wasting this lifetime. Let's get on it. Don't you worry about them Muslims, they love you.

I'm not even going to bother with your silly points, other than to say it's both absurd and paranoid to think that over a billion people want to kill us. Then again, you think that 9/11 was a false flag operation, which means that in your world Christians are the biggest mass murderers in the US, not Muslims. You should really get your paranoias straight.

Christians and Muslims are the biggest mass murderers in the history of the world, chew on that fun fact. As to 9 11, I have no idea what you are saying. I was told of this site and have come to view it and you, as a kind of science project. One billion muslims don't want to kill us, all Christians in pews don't want to kill everyone either. That doesn't mean the Holy Roman Empire didn't exist, just as the Muslim agenda isn't written and exist as well. Status quo for the rock is war, peace is an historic abnormality. Hug a muslim.

Syria is next. If you think you've seen ugly, you've seen nothing yet.

Expect Obummah and Holder, the ATF agent felony murderer, to get involved here. In fact, POTUS wants to eliminate the 1st Amendment through the UN so we cannot criticize islam and equate it with nazism - here - read:

http://www.aina.org/news/20110901100024.htm

NOBAMA IN 2012!!! or we are in for more of M.A.S. Hamas tactics.